​In this podcast episode, I’m going to explore the 4 common paths of web designers (you can replace “paths” with the term stages, types or categories) to see which one you are in now and which one is best suited for you where you are in your web design journey!

In short, the 4 common web designer paths are:

1. Web Freelancer
2. Web Solopreneur
3. Web Business Owner
4. Webpreneur

Neither stage is right or wrong or better than the others. And they each have their pros and cons. This is the exact path I went through in a 10 year journey so I hope it helps shed some light on which path is right for you!

In this episode:

00:00 – Introduction
02:56 – 1) Freelance
06:50 – Pros & cons
11:06 – 2) Solopreneur
13:38 – Pros & cons
17:56 – 3) Business Owner
20:33 – Pros & cons
22:59 – 4) Webpreneur
26:20 – Pros & cons
28:56 – Recap

Featured links mentioned:


Episode #244 Full Transcription

[00:00:00] Josh: Hey friends, before we dive into this episode, I am excited to spill some beans and share with you. That the next evolution of what is currently my web design club has been rebranded, reimagined, and I’ll be relaunching it at the end of this month, February, 2023, as that was a drum roll. By the way, web designer pro web designer pro is courses coaching and community.

[00:00:26] Josh: All in one. You heard that right? All of my web design courses are now included in Web Designer Pro, this community, and this membership is built to help you build your business as quickly as possible to give you all the support you need. And I’m really excited to come alongside you in your journey. Go to Josh hall.co/pro to jump on the wait list, uh, to get early access to Web Designer Pro.

[00:00:48] Josh: This will not lock you into anything. It just tells me that you’re interested and I’m gonna be giving some. Perks and some special deals, everyone who joins in the first wave. So go to Josh hall.co/pro to jump on the wait list, and I can’t wait to see you in there soon.

[00:01:05] Josh: Hey friends, welcome into episode 244. This is a quickie solo episode with you here in this. I wanted to share with you some thoughts about. The four different types of web designers that, well, this is the progression that I went through personally, but that I know a lot of my students are in.

[00:01:24] Josh: There’s generally four types of categories and I do wanna say, before I kinda shed some light on these four different categories. The reason I want to do this is because it might help you decide which route you want to take. In your business, and you might be at a point where you’re either getting a little restless or you’re getting, I don’t, I don’t wanna say bored, but maybe you’re ready for a different evolution of your business, and this might help clarify which route you should take.

[00:01:50] Josh: All that to say neither one of these are right or wrong. There is not a path that’s better than the other. In fact, within these four categories, I’m gonna share some pros and cons of each one. I’m also gonna give you some real examples of my students who. in one of these four categories so you can check it out to get a good representation and example of how to go about it.

[00:02:10] Josh: So let me share the four, the four, and then we’re gonna dive into each one in a little more detail. First one is a freelance web designer. Second one is similar, but it is bridging the gap between being a freelancer and a business owner, and that is a solopreneur. I do strongly feel that there is a difference between a freelancer and a solopreneur, and I’ll explain why here.

[00:02:34] Josh: So those are the first two. The third one is a true web design business owner, or you might hear agency owner, agency owner or bi web design business. Both terms are interchangeable. And then the fourth one is a web printer. A web entrepreneur, somebody who is getting into more than just building web design business. We’ll expand on that here as well.

[00:02:56] Josh: So let’s dive into number one, the freelance web designer. A freelance web designer. And I should say, it does not mean like typically you’re gonna start as a freelance web designer, and these four stages are exactly what I went through in a decade plus of being a web designer.

[00:03:13] Josh: I went from being a lance and then being a solopreneur and really starting to work on my business and starting to hire to becoming a true web design business owner and not doing the actual work, and then eventually selling my business and becoming a web printer and getting into courses in what I do now, but, That’s not the path for everybody.

[00:03:31] Josh: And just because I have freelancer as number one, typically this is where you’re gonna start. But it doesn’t mean that you have to be more than a freelancer if you are very content and happy with doing what you’re doing. So I don’t want you to make, I don’t wanna make you feel like if you’re a freelancer or a solopreneur that you’re like, ah, I’m taking forever.

[00:03:50] Josh: Why aren’t I a true business owner? Because there’s a lot of things that come into play when you’re, when you are a business owner. So number one, a freelance web designer. In short, you do all of it. You do all the work, and often freelance web designers are under a personal brand. You’ll actually see that with some of the examples I’ll show you here.

[00:04:09] Josh: Now, sometimes you might have a business name, but more often than not, You’re, you’ll, you’ll likely have a personal brand, uh, because it’s often easier, quite frankly, to get work as a freelance web designer under a personal brand. Most clients, first of all, don’t care about a business name. And sometimes if you don’t want to come across like an agency, it’s good to be a personal brand, for example.

[00:04:30] Josh: Um, I don’t know if I would consider Christian, who is my personal developer guy. I don’t know if he would be, he’s kind of a mix between a freelancer and a solo printer, but he has a brand called Bright Soul. Um, but when people hire him, he does a lot of white label work with clients all over the world.

[00:04:47] Josh: You hire Christian, like he, it’s, it’s easier almost to be a personal brand as a freelancer because you can get hired, particularly if you’re doing white label work, because they’re gonna hire you and they don’t wanna necessarily hire a company, for example, an agency often, if they want to bring in a web designer to help out with builds, they don’t want to hire another agency all the time.

[00:05:06] Josh: Generally they want to hire a freelancer. Um, so that’s really often freelancers are very, very commonly gonna be doing white label work, so you’re working under other agencies, so you don’t necessarily always have to get your own clients. That is a benefit of being a freelance web designer. You don’t need to build your business as much as just do really good work and get paid for it.

[00:05:27] Josh: So that’s a big benefit. If you take the white label approach to where you don’t have to do all the sales, you can just do really good work. You’ll get referrals and you can work under the roof of a lot of agencies as well. But that doesn’t mean you can’t build your own business, particularly if you are somebody who does well at managing all the hats and doing all the tasks.

[00:05:48] Josh: Like I did in the beginning. I did the sales, grew my business. I also did work under other agencies for a while doing white label work. Uh, but the majority of my work was myself in getting, building my client base, making relationships, and doing the work. And that is a big benefit of being a freelance web designer.

[00:06:05] Josh: I’ll tell you right now, is you will probably have more pride in every project because. Your skin is in the game on every aspect of it. So you do all the work, you do all the things, and you are gonna have immense satisfaction after every project. I remember it well because it was like, it wasn’t like I hired this part out and hired this out.

[00:06:27] Josh: I did every bit of this. I got this client, I sold it. I did the project. It came through, I got paid. You earn more. Too often I will. So depending, it’s hard to do things at scale, which we’ll get to as a con. But w as a freelance web designer, if you are not sharing the payload for a project, you will take more income, technically more revenue, however, you’re gonna have less time.

[00:06:50] Josh: So a few pros and cons to sum up a freelance web designer. The pros are you really get to focus on your work. You don’t necessarily have to sell that much as a freelance web designer because it is very referral based and you don’t need that many clients at all. In fact, if you get a couple of clients and do really good work and maybe work under one or two agencies, that’s all you need as a freelance web designer to potentially make six figures or beyond if you want, or even if you just need like 50,000, you can definitely do.

[00:07:17] Josh: Very, very quickly and practically as a freelance web designer, you don’t need that many clients. You can really focus on your work without worrying about team building and some of the other things that are gonna come into play with some of these attic, uh, other categories. So it’s less stuff to manage because all you need to do is do really good work and sell that and make good relationships.

[00:07:37] Josh: And you’re off in the running Now, the cons. Kind of in a, in a weird way, it’s a benefit and a uh, or I guess it’s a gift and a curse, and that is you do wear all the hats, so it’s very gratifying, but you wear all the hats. So burnout is a huge problem with freelance web designer. It is also near impossible to scale as a freelance web designer.

[00:08:00] Josh: Um, the only way to scale really. If you, well, in scale, like if you are going to be a six figure freelance web designer, you generally have to charge very, very premium rates or have very exclusive contracts. Um, that’s pretty much the only way to go. In fact, I, a while back I had Paul Jarvis on the podcast who is now behind Fathom Analytics, which is G D R P or GDPR compliant analytics that I personally use.

[00:08:28] Josh: Um, but he talked about that in that episode. If you wanna just search Paul Jarvis in the podcast, Um, he talked about how he was a freelance web designer and he was working with really big brands and it was just him, but he was charging like 10, 20, $30,000 for projects and was working on those for a month or two at a time.

[00:08:45] Josh: And that’s how he was able to scale in his way by staying lean. So it is very, very hard to scale unless you go super premium with rates. Um, a couple other cons are, Generally gonna be a little more feast and famine because you’re gonna be a little bit at the whim of the agencies you work for. You’re not gonna be doing as much sales and process driven pipeline type stuff if you are a solopreneur or a business owner.

[00:09:08] Josh: And perhaps the biggest con of being a freelance web designer that I personally experience is that more often than not you trade time for money. And I don’t want you to stay in. Zone long. I do not want you to trade time for money long. Now, do you don’t have to, you could charge flat rates for projects and stuff, but when people are hiring you, generally you’re gonna be trading like time for money, like retainer hours and, and project based fees and stuff like that.

[00:09:34] Josh: But again, this is a great option for those of you who don’t necessarily want to either yet or ever be a true business owner and you just want to do creative work, enjoy it all, work with people who do the sales and just enjoy your work. I don’t want to take that away from you. A couple folks who are doing really good at this right now.

[00:09:52] Josh: Now, both of these people, I will say they’re students of mine. They have aspirations for more. But they’ve done really well as freelance web designers. One I recently had on the podcast, Richard Peck. You can go to his website@richardpeck.com. Um, all of the examples I’m mentioning will be linked in the show notes for this episode@joshhall.co slash 2 4 4.

[00:10:12] Josh: So Richard has a great example of a site you can check out. As a freelancer. Another great example is one of my awesome students, Alexis Myers, who was also on the podcast a while back. I’ll make sure all these episodes I’m mentioning are, are linked as well. She has a, a really nice freelance website as well.

[00:10:30] Josh: Now her aim and goal is to become a solopreneur and then eventually a business owner. But for right now, she’s making incredible connections with some people in my membership, which is now Web Designer Pro, which I’ll be, uh, sharing more about in coming episodes. And she’s partnered up with some people in there as a freelance web designer, but she’s also built her business alongside of her freelance work.

[00:10:51] Josh: So, Really, really cool. Alexis t meyers.com is her website if you want to check that out. She’s on a really, really great trajectory and she’s done some incredible things, uh, just over the past couple years in getting into web design. So, couple great examples of freelance web designers.

[00:11:06] Josh: Now to number two, the solopreneur, solopreneur web designers. I, I heard it said like this recently from a guy named Matt Kasner, who’s gonna be on the show here. Um, he is a, he is essentially a solo printer, but he made the distinction, the difference between a freelancer and a solo printer. Being a solo printer, you think like a creative, but you act like a C E O.

[00:11:31] Josh: And I love that quote, I that so eloquently made the distinction between a freelancer and a solo printer. You think like a creative, but you act like a C E O, meaning you’re doing a lot of the work still. You’re very creative, you’re problem solving, and you’re probably doing a lot of the in the business work, like getting projects out the door and stuff like that, working with clients.

[00:11:52] Josh: But you act like a ceo. Am I acting like a ceo? I mean, you are very conscious about your rates, your numbers. and your processes, your deliverability, or excuse me, your deliverables to clients, all those things that typically freelancers tend to wait on working on or maybe not at all. Like what’s really common, I experienced this as a freelance web designer, is you just kind of do your projects.

[00:12:16] Josh: You’re not really quite what what to charge. You just kind of do it and generally you’re not thinking about the bottom line of your business and looking ahead further enough. So often solo printer are just. A little more business focused. You’re still doing a lot of the work. You’re creative, you maintain that creativity, but you’re, you’re, you still have a bulk of your, your time in the C E O C.

[00:12:37] Josh: So one thing that I like to say about solopreneurs is that you’re gonna get to a point where you start, Either leveling out or you want to get your percentage up on the time that you’re working on your business, just as the much as the time you’re working in the business. In the business means you’re fulfilling projects, doing sales, being creative, doing design code, all that stuff on the business work is working on your business, improving your systems, improving your processes, marketing your business, working on onboarding, offboarding, and things to reduce time.

[00:13:08] Josh: Each project ideally moving forward. So you’re kind of, what, what I found with solopreneurs and what I experienced with myself is that I was essentially wearing 17 hats, but I was getting really good at it. And then I realized, okay, some of these hats way more than others, and I, I need to start focusing on terrible analogy, which I got something better for you.

[00:13:28] Josh: But that’s how I understood it. Plus, I used 17 hats for, uh, my client and management for, for invoices and stuff. So it’s in my head anyway. There’s some pros and cons to this though. Just like each one of these categories, the pros are, You can stay lean. You do not need to have overhead. You don’t need to have a big agency style business.

[00:13:46] Josh: You can have subcontractors that come into your business at either full-time, um, periods, or sometimes they may just be part-time or even just as needed. In fact, on my team page for a long time, I had my team and I just said, Here are the people who work all the time with us, and here are the people who work occasionally or when needed.

[00:14:06] Josh: So you can stay creative and you can kind of switch on and off from working on the business versus in the business. So there’s a lot of pros to that, and you can start to scale. Most solo printers are going to become web designed business owners, true owners. It’s kind of the next step. But I spent most of my time as a solo printer and I was very happy with it.

[00:14:26] Josh: I only scaled my business for a couple of years and became a true business owner for less than two years. So I was really happy being a solo printer, having a network, and having some people in my corner occasionally, and we needed, but still being mainly the guy. But there are some cons to this. Those, the cons typically involve, um, work-life balance, well, not even work-life balance as much as like balancing a lot of different projects when you’re doing all the different roles.

[00:14:54] Josh: And then sometimes you can get a little jumbled when it comes to like, well, how much time am I working on the business versus in the business in certain season? Often when you are working with people and you have, uh, subcontractors, that is a big vulnerability because subcontractors are not full-time and there’s not really any loyalty or allegiance that they have to have.

[00:15:15] Josh: Subcontractors typically, not all the time, but typically come and go. So it can be, you can be in a vulnerable spot. If you are a solopreneur that has a couple subcontractors you’re working with, maybe they’re worthy for six months, but then maybe their business grows and then suddenly shoot, you’re outta contractor.

[00:15:31] Josh: Now, as long as you have your SOPs in place and you have some good processes, generally you can fill those pretty quick and jocker. That’s gonna happen anytime you have team members. But that is a vulnerability. Subcontractors don’t necessarily have allegiance like a true employee does because there’s less to to lose If they were to walk.

[00:15:50] Josh: And then often subcontractors aren’t always in it for the long haul. Um, which again, just comes to come into play when if a solo printer is working with a freelancer contractor. I mean, hopefully the relationship is great, but they may not have like, ownership of your business. Like they would an actual employee who wants to keep on getting a paycheck and have they, they wanna see the business grow as much as you do.

[00:16:12] Josh: So those are some cons, but overall, solo, being a solopreneur is great and there’s a lot of ways to do that. Uh, again, less overhead, lot of great pros, but there are some vulnerabilities with, with contractors in particular. I was gonna say a couple examples real quick on this one. April, Ray ha, she’s one of my awesome students.

[00:16:30] Josh: I need to get her on the podcast. April. You can check her out@aprilraycreative.com. She is a shining example of a solo printer because yes, she has a personal brand. She is in the process now of going from freelancer to solopreneur. Actually, I’d say she’s more in the process of going to solopreneur to being a business owner.

[00:16:52] Josh: But she’s done a great job of taking her personal brand to more of a solo printer style approach. You can check her out april ray creative.com, because she has a copywriter and she often delegates work. She’s not doing everything in her business Now, another great example is one of my awesome, awesome, amazing students, Sandy, uh, burns.

[00:17:09] Josh: All of these people I’m mentioning, by the way, are members of Web Designer Pro, uh, my, the, the new name from my, my online c. I’m interested in that. Go to josh hall.co/pro to sign up for the wait list. If you’re hearing this episode now, if you’re hearing this episode a little later on, it might be live and ready to go for you.

[00:17:26] Josh: So, Josh hall.co/pro is where you can, uh, get access to all these fine folks. But, uh, Sandy with sandfire creative sandfire.ca, uh, is another great example of a solo printer style business, and she has a small team working with her, but she is still very p. With all her clients, and she’s still the one who’s like leading the show, but she’s not doing every bit of the work right now, which is really cool too. Um, so yeah, a couple of great examples there for solopreneurs.

[00:17:55] Josh: Now, the next step, again, this is not like a ladder. You don’t have to go each one of these steps, but typically the process is gonna bring you to step number three or category number three, I should say, which is a true web design business owner.

[00:18:08] Josh: Now, the business owners, you get to a point where you realize one. Time is money. And generally what I’ve found is business owners are gonna get to the point where you’re not doing much work, if any on the actual projects. You may do a lot of work with proposals and sales and some client management, but deliverables, development, coding design, all those things are generally gonna be handled by your team, the team you’re working with.

[00:18:33] Josh: Most business owners are gonna have some level of full-time. Worker, like full, whether they’re contractors or whether they’re part-time or full-time hires, you’re generally gonna have people working for you to do the development. And there’s pros and cons to this, which we’ll get to. But the beauty honestly, about being a business owner is scalability.

[00:18:53] Josh: It frees you up to do the work that you wanna do in your business. Uh, again, as a solopreneur and a freelancer, the big trick that I learned is, You might really wanna work on your business, but you just do not have time. Sometimes if you are slammed with projects and it’s hard to scale, now you can scale with some methods we just talked about.

[00:19:12] Josh: But when you’re a business owner, you dedicate pretty much all of your time to working on the business. And if you’re not working on the business, you can decide what you wanna work on in the business. Like again, if, even if you want to hand off sales, you could totally do that. You could hand off sales.

[00:19:27] Josh: you could hand off onboarding, you could hand off the entire project. Uh, for, for me, when I became a true business owner, all I did was help with sales and then the onboarding. And then my Jonathan, my lead designer at the time, built the entire project, even got to the point where he communicated with the client.

[00:19:45] Josh: I swooped in at the end, we wrapped. I didn’t do any work on the site. I just helped with the, with the, uh, the finishing up and like offboarding and all that with the client and then we’re good to go. So that was the beauty about being a business owner. Side note, the only way I was able to start Josh hall.co and start doing tutorials and getting into teaching is because I freed up my time as a web design business owner.

[00:20:09] Josh: So had I not done Josh Hall dot. This little passion project, I would have probably scaled the agency and scaled my business to probably my sites would’ve been set on seven figures. Um, so again, a lot of options as a business owner because you are working on your business and time is money for you. So you pros are you have time to grow the business and you can create something at scale also, when you are a business owner.

[00:20:36] Josh: It’s very likely that you might consider selling what you have as an asset down the road, or at least you have the ability to do something with it. Uh, and then you could take it any direction you want. But the cons are, as a business owner, A lot more headaches when it comes to team building hiring.

[00:20:52] Josh: You’re gonna have more people to worry about. You’re gonna have more team calls, you’re gonna have more administration when it comes like that. Um, taxes will be a little tricky sometimes when you are a business owner with 10 99 s coming in and all kinds of stuff. Um, and then also, quite frankly, going back to a benefit of being a lance.

[00:21:09] Josh: You will not have the satisfaction. I’ll just warn you right now, as a business owner, maybe you’re in this seat right now, you don’t seem to have as much sat satisfaction when a project is done because it’s like, okay, cool, on to the next one. But you didn’t pour your blood, sweat, and tears in every pixel of that website and maybe talk with the client and revision so it doesn’t hit as hard for you.

[00:21:28] Josh: The wins, the wins don’t hit as hard for you generally. That’s at least what I discovered as a business owner. Couple really great examples of this. Uh, Christopher David, I’ve had him on the podcast way back. He has a shining example, uh, of a web design business owner. He, he really talks about his business as a digital marketing agency, so he’s doing more than just websites.

[00:21:50] Josh: He’s doing Google My Business and SEO services. You can check him out at Yu. Dot com. That’s U K I I K i.com. I will make sure this is linked in the show notes because if you’re like me, you’re not gonna remember how that was spelled. Chris does an incredible job though, with his agency. Um, yeah, I’ll just, let me just tell you.

[00:22:08] Josh: He is, he’s doing things right. Uh, really great example, and he is working not many hours in his business, which is the benefit of being a business owner of somebody else is doing the actual fulfillment. He’s just working on the high level stuff. Another great example is Lauren Hanley. Orange Moss creative.com.

[00:22:25] Josh: Actually, the last episode with, uh, my guest, Karen Laos. We talked about how Lauren was her web designer and how she, I would really recommend going back to episode 2 43. We have a bit of a case study at the, in that episode about how, um, Karen found Lauren was like, okay, I didn’t even know I needed a website, but you convinced me.

[00:22:44] Josh: And then she’s a great client of hers. Orange Moss Creative is a great example of a brand, uh, with Lauren who has a small. Just a few people on her team, and she does a really good job of kind of being the business owner in that business, not doing all the things in the business.

[00:22:59] Josh: And then finally the last category, a web. Now not everyone is probably cut out to be a web, I would say. Now, I don’t know if I would say that because I think humans could do anything but it web, when you get into the entrepreneurial world, whether it’s courses, coaching, anything like that, um, it is a whole different level of challenges. I’m not gonna say it’s har, uh, I will.

[00:23:24] Josh: I will go on record and say it is harder to become an online entrepreneur or web printer than to be a business owner as a web designer, because that’s, that’s for sure what I experienced. Like I got the six figures as a web designer and a bus, and a solopreneur, a business owner. Without really knowing what the heck I was doing, I got to six figures by just charging a little more and just getting really good at what I was doing.

[00:23:47] Josh: Um, I got to six figures pretty quick as a web printer, but it was because I had nearly a decade of experience leading up to it. So I see a lot of people who. Wanna build a digital course or a membership and have a podcast and content strategy and build their online presence and they’re fizzled out very quickly cuz it’s hard.

[00:24:06] Josh: It’s very, very hard. I think it’s a lot easier to be a web designer than to be a web printer. However, most web printers who I’ve seen who, who do it and are successful at it in some way. Have got there after years of doing something else. So you already know the hardships, you’ve prepared for the challenges, you’re good with content, and you’re okay with, uh, management of your work life balance and all those sorts of things.

[00:24:31] Josh: So there’s, there’s a bunch of different ways you could go as a webinar. I do not recommend that everyone do what I do, which is to get into course creation. Um, it’s definitely not for everybody. Uh, a lot of people maybe you’ve tried digital courses and you’re like, never again. Like, first of all, there’s a ton of work that goes into a course.

[00:24:49] Josh: Um, only when you do it multiple times do you get really good at it and, and intend to refine the process like I did. But it’s still draining and it’s really hard to build an online presence of just you. There’s, there’s a lot of work that goes into it and it can be a slow burn. It can be very hard to make a lot of money unless you do some sort of high level coaching or service work.

[00:25:10] Josh: So, but I don’t wanna discourage anyone so there, what an intro to become a web. Now for those of you who have maybe run your business for a while and you’re like, you know what? I want to teach what I know. I do not wanna discourage you because that’s amazing. Just heads up, there’s a lot of hardships that are gonna pop up that you probably didn’t think about.

[00:25:27] Josh: But webinars tend to get into digital courses, like I said, pro uh, memberships, coaching. The avenues for promotion are generally in the form of YouTube videos, podcasts. You could do kind of exclusive service. Con consultations or high level coaching, things like that. And if you are becoming a web, I’m guessing if you’re still running your web design agency, you’re probably thinking about selling it.

[00:25:52] Josh: More often than not, that’s the case. So you generally wanna be in the position of a solopreneur. Or a business owner if you’re gonna be a web printer, particularly if you’re gonna be able to manage it. I don’t know how you could be a web printer and be a freelancer, uh, just due to the time. And I know some people who have tried to do like some web printer stuff, like videos and podcasts, they always seem to go for about two months and then the content stops cuz they just, it’s really hard if you’re doing all the work to do anything else.

[00:26:19] Josh: So pros and cons. Pros are you can embrace the true freedom of working on whatever you want to do when you want to. When you get out of service work, that is honestly a huge, like it is a release and a, and a huge benefit to get outta service work. I will not, I will not say that is not a benefit. However, some cons are what I’ve already mentioned.

[00:26:39] Josh: It is very, very, very hard to build an audience online and to sell courses and programs at scale if you want to have a six figure or multi six-figure, uh, type of income. Not possible. There’s tons of ways to do it, but it is just a different level and a. Style of challenge and struggle versus being a service provider where when you’re a service provider, plenty of struggles and challenges.

[00:27:03] Josh: It’s not easy, but once you do a really good job and get good at your craft, you’ll start getting referrals and you don’t need to sell that hard. But sales looks way different for a weapon. So some pros and cons there. Couple good examples. Um, Steve’s Ram, who is my go-to for the subscription web design model.

[00:27:20] Josh: Uh, if you go to Steve schramm.co, he’s been on the podcast a couple times. He was on recently, he is a quintessential web printer. He has a web design agency, but he also has resources and of course now about the subscription web design model. He actually did an exclusive training about that in web designer Pro.

[00:27:38] Josh: Um, which you can sign up for the wait list now if you’re listening to this live or soon after it released. And then, uh, if you’re catching it later, you’ll be able to join and get access. But he did an entire presentation on this, uh, subscription web design models and which one’s right for you of interested.

[00:27:54] Josh: And he is a. A great web printer because he’s managing multiple different projects, multiple different mediums, along with being a business owner of his web design agency. So often it’s business owners that have the time to devote to something else. And another example as we wrap this up is Marie Brown.

[00:28:11] Josh: Marie Brown has a brand called Beyond the Kitchen table.co.uk. She was also on the podcast recently, if you remember her. We talked about marketing on Instagram and social media. Um, but wow, what a great, she actually, I would say she’s more recent to becoming a web, but she has a podcast as a marketing channel for herself.

[00:28:31] Josh: She also has a new membership, a marketing membership. So she’s still probably straddling one foot in the business owner camp, and then one foot in the web printer camp. But if you are gonna build a membership, you are a web printer, my friend. So Marie, if you’re listening. You are a web printer. Welcome to the club. Welcome to the web printer category. I’m sure we’ll have plenty of chats about the challenges ahead, uh, as a web printer.

[00:28:56] Josh: So those are the four categories. Number one. Real quick recap. Freelance web designer number two, solopreneur web designer. Number three, a true web design business owner, and number four, a web printer.

[00:29:09] Josh: My path was going through each four categories, but again, that is neither right or wrong. Each one of these categories can servee you for as long as you want. It all depends on what pros and what cons you’re willing to deal with and maybe that you’re cut out to deal with. So a couple things for you. I would love to.

[00:29:26] Josh: Is there a one category you think I’m missing? Is there something, I mean, maybe there are, I’m sure there’s others inside of outside of these, but pretty much, I mean, I’ve worked with web designers. I was a web designer for over 10 years and I’ve worked with web designers all over the world for over five years with my personal brand, and I’ve known a lot of agencies.

[00:29:43] Josh: They pretty much all fall within these categories, but I’m open to hear your thoughts. You can leave a comment@joshhall.co slash 2 4 4. I would love to hear from you and I hope this helps give you some ideas on maybe where you’re at to clarify, cause this is gonna also help your, your messaging. I would really, really encourage you go to the show.

[00:30:02] Josh: For this episode@joshhall.co slash two four and check out these examples. All of the example sites that I mentioned, again, the every single one of these people are members in my, my online community Web Designer pro, which is one reason I love having this community because I can keep track of people who are active and who are killing it and share them with the world and help all these people help grow, grow their businesses too.

[00:30:27] Josh: um, to everyone I mentioned, there were so many more examples that I want anyone to feel left out. These were just some people that have been on my mind recently, whether we’ve done website reviews in pro or, uh, either I’ve talked, I’ve had personal conversations with, um, but great examples to follow. And I hope this helps you out.

[00:30:45] Josh: Consider sharing this episode if you would, if you think somebody could use this and you’re like, Hey, Jimmy, you’re a number two. You’re a solo printer. Or, Sally Sally, you’re a business owner, but maybe you’re ready to become a web with your core. Maybe share this episode. It would do, it would, uh, it would, it would make me feel so grateful if you would.

[00:31:01] Josh: So I hope this helps and I really am excited to hear where you are in your stages in web design. Make sure you subscribe if you haven’t already to the podcast, and I’ll see you guys on the next episode.

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